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How Different Foreign Policy Approaches Assess the War in Ukraine

Emma Ashford and James Goldgeier join Deep Dish to discuss the war in Ukraine from restraint and liberal internationalist perspectives.
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About the Episode

What does Russia's war in Ukraine reveal about competing theories of foreign policy thought? The Council’s Elizabeth Shackelford is joined by Emma Ashford, senior fellow at the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security, and James Goldgeier, visiting scholar at Stanford University, to debate the war, and what might happen next, from the perspectives of liberal internationalism, the predominant foreign policy doctrine which champions cooperation, and realism, a doctrine that views competition and conflict as inevitable.

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About the Experts
Senior Fellow, Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security, Atlantic Council
Emma Ashford is a resident senior fellow with the New American Engagement Initiative in the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security. She is also a nonresident fellow at the Modern War Institute at West Point and co-authors the bi-weekly column, “It’s Debatable,” for Foreign Policy magazine, and is author of the new book "Oil, the State, and War: The Foreign Policies of Petrostates".
Visiting Scholar, Center on International Security and Cooperation, Stanford University
James Goldgeier is a professor of International Relations and served as dean of the School of International Service at American University from 2011-17. He is a visiting scholar at Stanford University's Center on International Security and Cooperation and is also a visiting fellow at the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution. In addition to numerous academic positions, Goldgeier has held several public policy appointments, including director for Russian, Ukrainian and Eurasian Affairs on the National Security Council Staff.
Senior Fellow, US Foreign Policy
Council staff Elizabeth Shackelford
Elizabeth Shackelford, a former career US diplomat who served at the US Mission to Somalia and the US Embassy in South Sudan, joined the Council in 2021. Her work focuses on building awareness and understanding of a "restraint" approach to foreign policy, which seeks to limit the use of military force to the defense of core US national security interests and favors robust diplomatic engagement.
Council staff Elizabeth Shackelford

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